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	<title>Comments on: Alistair Schaff on Wasa v Lexington</title>
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		<title>By: jolyonpatten</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alex,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t recall Schaff touching on that specific point, perhaps because it is so unknowable.  My impression is that he would have been reluctant to consider himself &#039;home and dry&#039; on &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; point in such waters! &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Alan Weir, at Ince &amp; Co., writes quite convincingly, I think, in their bulletin on the decision (you&#039;ll have to search their website) that &quot;the sensible consistency approach to interpretation will be applied to clarify &lt;em&gt;modest&lt;/em&gt; inconsistencies between similar terms in the two policies&quot; (my emphasis), yet also goes on to wonder where on earth this all leaves the Full RI clause: &quot;If these are not terms of incorporation then it is logical to ask what they mean&quot;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I take anything from the decision, and it may be something that is so blindingly plain as to be not worth pointing out, it is that these are essentially points of construction -- you have to look at the words and if the meaning is clear, apply it; if not, then you try and use the &#039;harmonious construction&#039; route.   But how far you can apply &#039;harmonious construction&#039; and where the line is to be drawn is far from clear as a general principle.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think that the law has become more subtle again.  I also think that this is likely to lead to further disputes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jolyon&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall Schaff touching on that specific point, perhaps because it is so unknowable.  My impression is that he would have been reluctant to consider himself &#8216;home and dry&#8217; on <i>any</i> point in such waters! </p>
<p>Alan Weir, at Ince &amp; Co., writes quite convincingly, I think, in their bulletin on the decision (you&#8217;ll have to search their website) that &#8220;the sensible consistency approach to interpretation will be applied to clarify <em>modest</em> inconsistencies between similar terms in the two policies&#8221; (my emphasis), yet also goes on to wonder where on earth this all leaves the Full RI clause: &#8220;If these are not terms of incorporation then it is logical to ask what they mean&#8221;. </p>
<p>If I take anything from the decision, and it may be something that is so blindingly plain as to be not worth pointing out, it is that these are essentially points of construction &#8212; you have to look at the words and if the meaning is clear, apply it; if not, then you try and use the &#8216;harmonious construction&#8217; route.   But how far you can apply &#8216;harmonious construction&#8217; and where the line is to be drawn is far from clear as a general principle.  </p>
<p>I think that the law has become more subtle again.  I also think that this is likely to lead to further disputes.</p>
<p>Jolyon</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Jolyon,
Thanks for this post.  Very interesting. Wish I could have attended from Bermuda.
Re your note on the question &quot;[s]upposing that the underlying law had always and explicitly been that of Pennsylvania&quot;, did Mr Schaff think he would still have been home and dry for WASA on his submissions (e.g. para.50 of Mance LJ) that &#039;Vesta&#039; and &#039;Groupama&#039; covered only (and are best restricted to) English-style warranties found in reinsurance contracts or are policy decisions preventing reinsurers from taking overly technical defences? 
Regards,  Alex&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jolyon,<br />
Thanks for this post.  Very interesting. Wish I could have attended from Bermuda.<br />
Re your note on the question &#8220;[s]upposing that the underlying law had always and explicitly been that of Pennsylvania&#8221;, did Mr Schaff think he would still have been home and dry for WASA on his submissions (e.g. para.50 of Mance LJ) that &#8216;Vesta&#8217; and &#8216;Groupama&#8217; covered only (and are best restricted to) English-style warranties found in reinsurance contracts or are policy decisions preventing reinsurers from taking overly technical defences?<br />
Regards,  Alex</p>
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		<title>By: Location, Location, Location &#171; Slingeek</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Jolyjonpatten recently went to a seminar put on the by the lawyer that won the decision for the reinsurers in Wasa v Lexington. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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